The Street Hookers of Toronto
I promote professional
consenting adult PRIVATE legal sexwork...Not street hookers
Here is why - Discussions say it best
July 2004 Update - See National Post Article Toward a humane prostitution law
Discussion 11/27/03
Between Dave in Phoenix and a street hooker advocate in Toronto that seeks to decriminalize street hookers not just private
sexworkers.
>who says it is citizens' right to not have street hookers in their faces in
>their neighbourhoods?
The citizens who elect the people who make the laws.
Including in Toronto:
On June 26, 1995 Toronto city council took a bold step forward when they voted
10-7 in favor of recommending that the Ministry of Justice decriminalize adult
prostitution. But it required bylaws to protect citizens from having street
hookers in their neighborhoods by requiring them to work in zones of tolerance
and it was suggested fining prostitutes $5,000 for working outside the area. The
current maximum federal fine for soliciting is $2,000. The issue died since the
bylaw would have more penalties than the Canadian Criminal Code. But that was
the ONLY way Toronto would decriminalize adult prostitution - by making sure
street hookers were only in zones of tolerance by steep fines.
Street prostitution is estimated to constitute only 20% of all prostitution
activity (and as low as 5% in winter in Toronto). Public opinion polls conducted
by the Fraser Commission on Pornography and Street Prostitution found that while
45% of Canadians found "prostitution in private" acceptable, only 11% are
prepared to tolerate street prostitution.
In 2000 this reflects the frustration of Toronto Citizens:
TORONTO — Residents of Toronto's Parkdale area are fighting mad and fighting
back.They're angry about prostitution in their neighborhood and they've gone on
the Internet to combat it, setting up a website to post vehicle license plates
of suspected Johns. A similar initiative was launched in Cabbagetown six weeks
ago and residents there say it has been a success.
"Our goal is to keep the prostitutes out via the Johns. Our message to the Johns
is if you're looking for prostitutes don't come to our area because if you do
your licence plate could be recorded," said Lance Lockwood.
Toronto City councillor Chris Korwin-Kuczynski strongly supports the website
initiative.He said the residents of Parkdale, "feel very strongly about it and
they've taken some action. We've been able to reduce the number of prostitutes
in our community but there are still a few around."
In Phoenix
In Phoenix with the huge uproar about the bust of private sexworkers newspaper
opinion pages, boards and editorials are mostly saying the same thing... for
example:
"I don't have a problem with putting a stop to prostitution on the streets. Who
wants prostitutes soliciting themselves in front of homes, businesses or in
front of schools?? But as far as prostitutes operating out of their own
homes....How does it endanger anyone else"?
We have an surprising huge backlash against the bust of private sexworkers. But
hardly anyone supports street hookers. You may not think its right but that is
the fact and no decriminalization law would have a chance of passing if it
allowed street hookers other than in special zones, which is unlikely in most
U.S. cities.
> Dave. And one wonders why
> you feel so strongly since you've admitted in previous posts that you do not
> have street prostitution in your neighbourhood.
Because I strongly support a women's right to choose prostitution and it can be
a valuable asset to a culture. In Canada you are so much better off than in the
U.S. where all forms of sexwork are illegal. You have minor issues with bawdy
with public support for modifying the current law and have virtually no
enforcement unless related to children, drugs, illegals or neighborhood
complaints.
In the U.S. a private outcall sexworker, which is totally legal in Canada and
most of the world, faces prison for providing sexual services.
In the U.S. we have public tolerance for private sexwork as well as a favorable
Supreme Court Decision on gay rights in private which many believe could also
apply to private sexwork.
Just as in Canada, there is almost NO tolerance for street hookers. We have a
Golden Opportunity to educate and perhaps get laws changed for private
consenting adult sexwork. If you insist on including street hookers any such
steps are doomed to failure since there is no public support for decriminalizing
of street hookers in the U.S. any more than there is in Canada.
On Canbest Discussion Board, Dave in Phoenix said:
I respect the rights of those living in neighborhoods, not just you imposing
your choice over others insisting in using street hookers for your own
selfishness especially in Toronto where there are so many private options
instead of on the streets where its not wanted.
I highly support in private sexwork of consenting adults, but I am very much
against "in your face" public solicitation or worse on public streets, unless
like in parts of Europe and Australia there are separate zones set up for the
purpose of being a safe place for both "john" and "hooker" to meet, without
being in any neighborhood to offend others.
Many neighborhoods report condoms left in yards and streets and often drug
needles or worse since most street hookers are desperate women usually needing
money for another hit.
Sexwork should be an honorable private profession, not on the streets, not
working for a pimp, or out of desperation for drugs and associated with "real"
crime.
And the street scene is all most people think of when they hear "prostitution"
which is why it has such a negative connotation to most and few would support
doing away with bawdy laws if all they think about is the drugged out street
hooker they connect sexwork with.
Someone said it better than I:
I find that the negatives of street prostitution outweigh the positives and I
choose to no longer engage in it, for practical reasons and out of consideration
for those who have to live in those areas where the rest of us are just passing
through. Another negative we should all consider is the very bad PR it gives the
whole industry/hobby as a whole. If there's any one aspect that's slowing down
legalization, I'd say the street scene is it.
Should it remain illegal, even if incall, outcall (outcall already is fully
legal in Canada) and MP's are legalized? I think so. Either that or establish
zones for it like Dave in Phoenix mentioned.
Does that mean I think streetwalkers (or their johns) should be thrown into prison? Not necessarily. You yourself implied that ticketing them might be acceptable, which of course would mean that it would still be illegal. That might not be a bad idea, but we both know the end result would be the same. A strung-out "crack whore" is never going to mail in the fine or go to traffic/streetwalker court, so of course her ticket will go to warrant, and just like those who ignore their traffic tickets, next time the cops stop her, off to the pokey she goes.
The thing to consider here is this: Her problem is not her
job or going to jail. Her problem is her drug habit and lifestyle in general,
which are going to be there no matter how she makes her money. Desperate people
will do what they feel they have to in order to survive, but that doesn't mean
they should be free to do so at the expense of other people. And frankly, I feel
that the quality-of-life impact they have on the neighborhood should not have to
be tolerated by its residents.
Another
I'd like to say that I resent even considering that the Providers that I've seen
are remotely connected to what we are calling todays typical streetwalker. Those
providers are all warm, sensitive, and compasionate ladies, and I love them all.
The streetwalker is a thing of the past. They need to evolve along with the rest
of society or they need to go the way of the dinosaur. Todays streetwalker is a
haven for, women abusing pimps, drug dealers, unprotected sex, thieves, you name
it, and you'll find it around the area of a streetwalker. It may not be their
fault but then again they can't control it, thus they can't eliminate it. That
is why it needs to be outlawed.
Response By JB on Saturday, February
17, 2001 - 03:13 am:
Further to Dave's post and on the subject of whether it is good idea to partake
in Street Action:
The prostitutes typically seen on the streets of Toronto are merely the tip of a
very dangerous and destructive drug-trade iceberg.
Obviously, working the streets is not a preferred means of making a living. The
rates are much lower than in/outcall service and the women must put themselves
at risk of arrest by being "out-there" in plain view and even more at risk when
they get into the car of a stranger who may be psychotic.
So why do they do it? The answer, as most of us already know, is that most of
these women have severe drug addictions which force them to seek out any money
they can as quickly as possible.
The drug lifestyle also makes it difficult for many of these women to keep a
place of their own, be reliable in making appointments, or even practice
personal hygiene; other reasons why they can't use safer and more profitable
means of making their living as prostitutes.
The $40 (for example) that you may pay for a blow job in your car will, within
minutes of dropping the girl off, probably be traded for a few pieces of crack
that are consumed in even fewer minutes. As soon as this is gone, the addict
needs to score more cash to get some more rock. The cycle can continue for days
until she finally collapses; when she wakes up, it starts all over again.
As outsiders to this lifestyle driving along in the city, all we see are women
standing on the street. What we may not see (just in the background) are all the
front-line drug dealers and their suppliers, and so on.
Many dealers make a practice of recruiting vulnerable women and hooking them on
drugs because they know the girls will have no choice but to hit the streets to
feed their habit. This creates a captive market for the dealers' product.
When 'Johns' pick up these girls, they are not only putting money right into the
hands of crack and heroin dealers but they are also encouraging the dealers to
actively create more addicts by reaffirming the process as profitable.
This whole dynamic is what makes most street prostitution in Toronto a very
different issue than escorts or MPs.
Street prostitution should be discouraged and outlawed: not because
sex-for-money is wrong, but because this industry helps support and increase the
drug problem in the city and it helps ruin the lives of the girls who are the
victims.
I happen to believe that a sex-for-money transaction between truly consenting
adults is acceptable and should be legal. It's part of that whole mind-set that
goes with the statement that "the state has no place in the bedrooms of the
nation."
However, this statement only applies when no one is being hurt or exploited.
It's impossible to classify most of these girls as consenting adults (even those
who are over 18) because their addiction has taken away their ability to make an
objective choice or give their consent in a meaningful way.
I know that street prostitution is not the only cause of Toronto's drug problems
and that if we could stop it, the drug trade would still exist. However, it is a
big part of the problem and anyone who engages in it is contributing to the
potentially deadly addiction of another human being.
Aside from this issue, I also think that the danger to the customer from
disease, arrest, and a potentially violent addict prostitute, far outweighs the
benefits of a cheap sexual gratification.
So you see, it's in the best interest of both the hooker and the John for street
prostitution to go away.
Now this is meant to be an open forum and I certainly would respect anyone that
wishes to post alternate opinions. I ask, however, that (if you chose to take
issue with this post), you address the points I have made and not engage in name
calling or random abuse.
Thank you for reading.
JB.
Dave in Phoenix adds: Even if the street girl isn't on
drugs it is disrespectful to the residents in the neighborhood. Further,
with it so easy for a girl to get a job as a dancer, adult massage parlor girl
or ran an ad for legal outcall, it seems to me the only reason to be on the
streets is if you have been fired from legitimate places, are too immature to
show up for work or make outcall appointment, or too drugged out to do so.
I see no reason any women who I would want to be near should be on the streets
and making a nuisance of herself in a neighborhood where she is unwanted and
despised.
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